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Post by Admin on Dec 30, 2014 16:41:24 GMT
Complementarian Quote: "God created Adam first and then created Eve to be a “helper” for Adam. The order of creation has universal application in the family (Ephesians 5:22–33) and in the church."
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Post by Relentless on Dec 30, 2014 17:14:14 GMT
God created animals before man.
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Post by jocelyn andersen on Jan 2, 2015 15:27:27 GMT
There are several scriptural examples to show that this reasoning is based on archaic human laws and will not carry:
The older shall serve the younger Esau was firstborn Ishmael was older Adonijah was older than Solomon David was the youngest The animals were created before Adam
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Post by wanetadawn on Jan 5, 2015 7:43:38 GMT
There are several scriptural examples to show that this reasoning is based on archaic human laws and will not carry: The older shall serve the younger Esau was firstborn Ishmael was older Adonijah was older than Solomon David was the youngest The animals were created before Adam One of the on-going principles in the Bible is "the great reversal." The first shall be last and the last first, and the elder shall serve the younger. However (tongue in cheek) this great reversal only applies when it puts males in the dominant position, right? The one created last rules the earth: oops, the MALE that was created last rules the earth. The one that was created first rules the one created last: oops, gotta exclude the animals. It is the MALE that rules the female because he was created before she was created, and because she came from him. Somehow, the MALE has more authority because he was created from dust, instead of from a rib. But if HE was created from a rib & she came from dust, that would be reason to say he is the authority. Notice that they keep changing the rules to fit their agenda--and accuse the egalitarians of changing meanings, etc.
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Post by Greg Hahn on Jan 5, 2015 19:12:23 GMT
Complementarian Quote: "God created Adam first and then created Eve to be a “helper” for Adam. The order of creation has universal application in the family (Ephesians 5:22–33) and in the church." My response would be, "And why do you think so?" Certainly not because of Ephesians 5. It makes no reference to the order of creation at all. If the passage you cite doesn't prove your point, perhaps that's an admission that your point is invalid? Is there any passage in the Bible that lends any support to the this claim other than 1 Tim 2:13?
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Post by Ian Robinson on Feb 28, 2015 10:34:06 GMT
There is no superiority of Adam over Eve that is recorded in the creation account. Both Adam and Eve were given equal authority by God to subdue the earth and have dominion over it. The Hebrew word for helper or helpmeet which complementarians put so much stock in to prove that Adam was 'in charge' of Eve is 'ezer'. But this is the word that God uses to describe Himself when He helps us. It's analagous to when I help my young son or daughter with their homework. The term in no way implies inferiority of the helper to the helped; just the opposite, in fact, as the helper possesses the capability to contribute in a manner beyond that of the one requiring help. Without Eve, the human race would not exist and Adam (man) on his own would not have been able to subdue and have dominion over the earth. 1 Cor 11:11-12 states, 'Nevertheless, neither is man set apart from woman, nor woman set apart from man in the Lord. For as woman came from man, even so man also comes through woman; but all things are from God.' This unequivocally states that although Adam was formed first, and then Eve was formed from out of him, this is counterbalanced by all men being born of women. In the eyes of the Lord, there is no rank or greater pre-eminence implied by the order of creation. Equality of men and women is declared in the same spirit as Galatians 3.28, 'There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Besides, Adam only started ruling Eve after the fall. Men ruling women is a consequence of the curse, and explains why, down through the ages and across the globe, societies have been male dominated, sometimes horribly so where women are denied fundamental human rights, education, viewed as chattel, no more than possessions of men.
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